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作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-7-23 10:19
标题: 新阵容大猜想
本帖最后由情定迷人酒窝于 2021-7-23 10:18 编辑

鸟叔入主罗马，扎卡马上也来了，那么我们来猜猜新赛季罗马打什么阵型？

魔力鸟最喜欢的，是4231，因为他平衡。但是这个赛季的扎鸟要回来了，所以这个阵型可能会发生一点变化。

不对称4141或许会被使用

在看过意大利本次欧洲杯之后，罗马的阵型是完全可以借鉴这个不对称思路的。

哲科顶在最前面，扎鸟在右边锋位置，佩7在哲科身后，梅西他娘在左前卫位置，扎卡在中路，忐忑在后腰。4后卫一字排开。

为什么这么放？第一个原因是鸟叔喜欢4231，第二个原因是，佩7可以在这个位置帮助哲科去对抗。而扎鸟内切的能力也算上乘，球在这一侧会提供稳定的输出。梅西他娘在左路作为第4点收割，或者球发展在左路，向内进攻，和扎鸟保持一致的作用。宽度就让边后卫提供。这个阵的优点在于两个边内切之后，可以在进攻3区压制。打弱队或者只有单后腰的阵型，扎鸟和佩7在进攻3区连线，提升他们的得分率。扎卡作为一个传球手，提供视野和短传成功率。忐忑虽然不像扫荡后腰，但是他往前顶那一下，以及回防往回落的时机把握和投入，再加上打了大半赛季的中后卫，他的防守能力其实是有明显提升的。新援维纳提供宽度，忐忑则负责补位。右边后卫则有两个思路，再买一个单防能力强的，内收，就像迪洛伦佐一样。另外一个思路，卡尔斯多普以后别上去进攻了，去了也得拼命落回来，对防守是一大考验，因为体力和身体无法同时满足。改造的路子就学凯尔沃克或许还有搞头。

433也可以随时切换

其他点不变，就只是把佩7调回中场。这个也是可行的方案，不过这个就更像意大利了，鸟叔会不会提供一些鲜明的个人色彩呢？

而关于中场的选择，更多的还是对全面性的考虑。扎卡如果加盟球队，也是对全面性的很好补充。身板、吨位在那放着，对抗性上去了，也不会太缺技术。

扎卡场均封堵

扎卡场均解围

扎卡场均拦截

扎卡场均抢断

扎卡的传球数据

而扎卡相比队内其他人，尤其是比利亚尔。如果他作为替补的话，跟扎卡轮换是可以一用的。而佩7对于罗马来说，还是很关键。

这是去年我的看法，现在还是不变。佩7可以在433的阵型里作为第4个收割点，去进球。这对于更注重反击群的鸟叔来说，似乎更契合他的思路。想象一下球发展到边路，扎鸟在前点，中路有哲科，梅西他娘在后点，佩7就在禁区里收割2次进攻或者捡漏或者接倒三角传球。在国家队佩7在这个位置也是相当熟悉的，而且还有过进球。这个阵属实适合现在的罗马。

最后还是希望再引进一个后腰，半个中后卫，小曼奇尼改造的话，也还行。

作者: 阿炮 时间: 2021-7-23 17:38
忐忑防守能力很一般的，而且速度比较慢，总感觉慢一拍，他就很容易吃晃或者被突破的。

罗马需要一个在中场拼抢凶狠，贴身顶着对方拿球队员不让轻易转身或者带球突破的球员。

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-7-23 18:53

阿炮发表于 2021-7-23 17:38
忐忑防守能力很一般的，而且速度比较慢，总感觉慢一拍，他就很容易吃晃或者被突破的。

罗马需要一个在中 ...

忐忑在赛季前落到防守位置时，顶出来的时机是把握的最好的一个。场景应用在对方边路内切进来，忐忑顶出去。还有比如碰到对方中路进攻，忐忑也是落回去最迅速的一个。

罗马确实需要一个拼抢凶狠的中场，但是贴身了就会被带离防守位置，如果让强队在进攻三区拉扯阵型，极其容易被2人或者多人小组带开空间，被速度快的球员钻进去。也还是需要搭配。

这次欧洲杯坎特带不动法国队吧？跟边路防守球员，转身速度，都有关系，坎特一个人不能兼顾的。要买这样的球员，是抢不过豪门的。

鸟叔上线，对意大利足球也不陌生，看看以后还会不会继续进一个中场，或者会对谁进行改造，“落”和“顶”是两个概念，而且3中卫思维和4后卫体系，也是有很大区别的。

作者: Spalletti 时间: 2021-7-24 04:01
把大博和迪亚瓦拉当成坎特每人全力冲半场

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-7-24 12:13

Spalletti 发表于 2021-7-24 04:01
把大博和迪亚瓦拉当成坎特每人全力冲半场

不现实，迪亚瓦拉做不到，一对抗就软，易受伤，只会是拖累。

作者: leonmfy 时间: 2021-7-26 01:53
韦勒图还是罗马球员吗？

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-8-4 15:07
转会有新人加入，那么在这里也可以补充一点个人看法：

4231这个阵型可能是大概率用了，跟之前猜测的也吻合。那么新援小穆这个位置如何摆？

有些朋友说他脚下不错，还有不错的射门技术。有些朋友说他能力体现在边路，不是传统中锋。

那他是首发还是替补？首发代替谁？替补又代替谁？

我觉得他就是前锋，就是哲科的替代者。因为他能在中路，不错的身板顶在最前面对抗，佩7围绕在他身边拿第二落点。鸟叔也说了，要重用佩7的。前腰这个点对于一个阵型和一个球队很重要，未来球队的上限全都倚仗这个点，所以佩7关键。为什么关键，就看下图吧。

而且，这个点一旦做减法之后，会影响中场和后卫。原因下面再讲。

那小穆的到来是什么思路呢？为什么只能做哲科的替补呢？

对抗的能力前面说了，第二点，就是他可以去到边路压制小个子后卫。一方面是战术原因，因为意大利这样的打法屡见不鲜。卢卡库去到边路压制也是非常好的例子。第三点，小穆如果替补哲科上来碾压体力下降的后卫，也是一个非常重要的策略。第四点，国际化的前场搭配思路趋于将中路人员安排到边路。也就是说，有身体的优势还不算，脚下有球能力也是往后一个不得不考虑的因素。

所以，这会牵涉出另一个问题，梅西他娘的位置，小穆取代不了。因为梅西他娘能提供持续的内切冲刺能力，就和扎鸟一样。为什么放弃佩德罗，我猜也是因为年龄上去之后，提供不了持续的冲刺。

所以小穆的到来，我还是看成他是哲科的替身。除非一种情况，就是他能提供不断的内切冲刺和折返跑，才能取代梅西他娘。

那么接下来接着说中后场：

大量的中路球员位移到边路，或者说像斯皮那样反过来，3中卫体系里去到中后卫位置，到底是提供了什么？答案是移动速度！

打到前场你不可能每次都能完成射门，所以兼具身体和移动速度的防线会变成标配。那么就目前的罗马，中后场有这样的球员吗？是不是该考虑继续补强这个类型的？目前罗马有斯莫林这种中卫，是不是要给他配一个速度快，一对一能力强的？哪怕矮一点的中卫？

对于这点的疑惑，就靠转会来解开了。

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-8-4 15:07
本帖最后由情定迷人酒窝于 2021-8-5 13:11 编辑

这一楼索性再补充说说韦勒图

他能冲，所以安排在中场和忐忑搭档。为什么？

我们先说哲科，顶在第一点，第二点是谁？身后的佩7。第三点是谁？拉在边路的扎鸟。那么第四个点在哪？就在韦勒图这里。为什么没有梅西他娘？

因为球一个时间段内只会运行在一个区域。在右路那么哲科、佩7、扎鸟自然是一个小组。在左路，那么哲科、佩7、梅西他娘也是一个小组。谁来收二次进攻的点？或者倒三角传中，或者禁区前沿捡漏？抑或是快速反击向前的一个点？只能是韦勒图。

试想一下，边路传中，前点有边锋、中路有中锋、后点是另一个边锋，还要加一个前腰。所以第四个点的顺位只能靠后，后排插上的点也只能是他。那么这一次进攻要达到大概5 6个人，这完全是打破阵型平衡的。一旦丢球谁去回追？所以相比更靠近禁区的4个点，中场的这个额外加进去的点，还有迅速退防的任务。

但是，丰塞卡也用过4231，鸟叔来了也要换4231，而丰塞卡时的4231，韦勒图自己说发挥的不对劲，鸟叔来了又用何种改变示人？这个就很有意思。

虽然现在中场人数不少了，但是最后还会不会继续补中场，就格外引人注目。

作者: Mallard 时间: 2021-8-4 15:31
马市长是强制租两年还是今年续租的？这赛季单线，估计没啥机会了，挺耽误人的

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-8-4 18:49

Mallard 发表于 2021-8-4 15:31
马市长是强制租两年还是今年续租的？这赛季单线，估计没啥机会了，挺耽误人的

马市长后面我都感觉不一定会有出场机会，要么哲科伤缺，马市长做替补，而且要做为传跑流，走地面控制，无锋阵比较适合他。但现在多了小穆，会不会搭配出一个类似国米那样的双前锋组合，佩7不在的话倒是可以进行尝试。但是用442就不行，因为后场托不起这样的双前锋，双中场的配置。

作者: Spalletti 时间: 2021-8-5 06:07
我期待对弱队4231 对强队就换成曾经国米的4312
ibanez 小曼奇尼都可以顶到中场去加强抢截所以多屯中场至于那个1-2 可以好好考虑

作者: Spalletti 时间: 2021-8-5 06:09
马市长的射门转化率还是不错的期待和团队化学反应更足
而他和肖夫都是工作态度优秀的代表

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-8-5 12:22

Spalletti 发表于 2021-8-5 06:07
我期待对弱队4231 对强队就换成曾经国米的4312
ibanez 小曼奇尼都可以顶到中场去加强抢截所以多屯中场 ...

4312是个好想法，但是扎鸟有身体能冲刺，打到更宽的右路可以实现。但是罗马两个边路，卡尔斯多普防守能力一般，斜向转移球也不行。如果扎鸟去了中路，右路完全要交给他进攻再回防，能力远远达不到。除非像我前面说的，改造成凯尔沃克、（基米希）之流。把技术能力放大在防守薄弱的边路。而左路，健康的斯皮可以一战，如今嘛~新援的能力还没看到。

再用两个中后卫顶到中场，没有那个灵活度和能贯穿球场的转移球和回接破前场高压，只能硬刚，是做不了后腰的。而且这里还要搭配一个要去串联边路和中路的角色，我猜会在左路，那么中间左边就要安排一个传球手，同时回防积极的，就只剩下韦勒图。但是他的传球能力不一定能胜任，如果这样的话佩7要打回这里，梅西他娘去做那个1，但是佩7的作用被削弱了。

中场确实要屯，比利亚尔能传球，但是扎鸟在，佩7在，上比利亚尔防守强度会下来，这也是蛮纠结的一个点。所以我就觉得扎卡来，会对这个情况会改观，哪知现在流产了还。

作者: roma2013 时间: 2021-8-6 21:10
跟扎卡能力相当的我们根本买不起其他的

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-8-23 04:44

情定迷人酒窝发表于 2021-8-4 15:07
这一楼索性再补充说说韦勒图

他能冲，所以安排在中场和忐忑搭档。为什么？

韦勒图收获两个进球，都是第四个收割点。

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-8-23 12:32
第一场比赛踢完，阵型方面的排布无需多说了，就随便说几个点吧。

新援鸭脖：

首秀很惊艳，但也离不开现在鸟叔用的走地面渗透的路线。大家应该看到了好几个球都是直塞前锋的经典传跑思路。时下现在比较流行这样的传跑流，鸭脖导致对方门将红牌，我想即便哲科在，也是做不到的，可以看出鸭脖的启动爆发力，这是年轻人和老将的区别。从兰帕德执掌蓝军时，鸭脖、芒特也算是地面传跑流的战术棋子，对于现在鸟叔的战术适应度和匹配度，鸭脖可以说非常适合。在意甲这个赛场，中后卫普遍都是老将，或者说速度方面并没有十分出众的球员，我猜鸭脖后面的比赛还是会非常管用。当然，大考还是要在对阵尤文和国米时，检验成色。

小穆：

目前看也适合传跑流，替补上来收割体力不行的后卫，而且有身体。可能还是因为流行吧，前场高大和速度冲出纵深还是流行元素。车子就更强化了这一点，前场卢卡库，后场用速度保护和破坏反击。

扎鸟：

大伤恢复踢首发，这是对他能力的信任的表现。但是跟丰塞卡带队时不同，他被要求回防了。用身体去扛，去骚扰，我想这是魔力鸟安排的。得牌很正常，总要有个适应过程。但是从侧面反映出，他不像以前拥有很长的时间去支配球了。也就是球权在减弱。一方面我猜是因为伤的原因，另一方面我猜跟边后卫也有关系。在他这一侧，卡斯多普就像意大利的因西涅和斯皮，一个走内线，一个走外线。丢球后，需要用大个子的身体去紧逼骚扰，这个问题我在很久前就说过了，有兴趣的可以去搜索一下。但扎鸟依然年轻，我相信他能成熟，对防守贡献也会越多。

韦勒图：

收获进球，尤其是在少了一人之后更明显，详细信息参考8楼。

右后卫：

卡尔斯多普技术能力一般，速度确实有，还是那句话，改造路子得像凯尔沃克一样。这一侧的防守问题，扎鸟在帮助他。如何解决，可能就是等一个能边能中的后卫，内收，专门防守就行了。这样也能让扎鸟踢的更轻松一点，球权也可以相应提升。

下一轮：

扎鸟停赛，给了佩雷斯机会，那是不是他跟右路的搭配也需要他丢球后参与防守呢？好在对方不强，下一轮可以好好看看。

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-9-18 14:55
上一场证明右边路两个小个子同时出场会拖累防守。

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-9-20 11:25
关于防守问题，在这里继续更新一下吧。

好多人都吐槽忐忑防守不行，容易失位，才暴露后防线给别人再丢球，真的是这样吗？

凌晨打维罗纳的比赛，第一个丢球，对方边路发动攻势，忐忑跟了回去（请注意“跟”这个词），曼奇尼脚滑，丢球。
第二个丢球，肋部进来，忐忑依旧跟回来，此时的曼奇尼在干嘛？盯着右路留出的空当，吃晃，导致没有能够及时顶上去（请注意“顶”这个词）。
第三个丢球，横向进来禁区边缘，球到对方脚下，忐忑果断顶上来（请注意“顶”这个词），但是还是进了。

现在来说说“跟”和“顶”的意义：

首先，罗马的右路目前是个痼疾，就导致一定要有人跟防，协防，尤其是卡斯多普在前面回来慢，就必须扯动一个防守点去封边路传中也好，过人也好，因为这是最后一道防线了，防不下来，就要被进球。
再有，如果面对维罗纳那样的边、中结合，比较立体的进攻呢？谁该跟，谁该顶？仅仅只是忐忑吗？
对方第一点发动进攻，这个时候就应该是忐忑，那么后防还留了一个机动防守的曼奇尼。而第一个丢球，曼奇尼顶的慢了，脚滑也可以理解，就算无奈吧。第二个丢球，相对明显一些，卡普拉里拿球，曼奇尼还在退，他一退，防守注意力在右侧，起脚的空间还是很大，那为什么曼奇尼还是顶的慢？把右路漏出来，即便不越位，他能射门的角度很小，怎么能打的进？传中也还有人在防守，怕什么？第三个丢球，不赘述。

所以，以现在的曼奇尼的防守意识，他还有很大的改进空间，如何处理好跟和顶的意识和能力，要专门敲打。而且上赛季他可是被改造过单后腰的，也就是你们嘴里心心念念的兽腰，但是也不成功，知道为什么了吗？更何况腰是要具备攻防转换能力的，单后腰要求则更高。

往后如何解决跟和顶的问题，应该是防守的重心。就算补后腰，也需要向更全面的需求靠拢，而不是单纯的拼命抢球的角色。而且这还影响着中场。

罗马几次阵型趋向于424，还是442，都改变不了2个中场的薄弱，我也一直在说罗马的后防托不起双中场的配置，这下能明白了么？

以后改352或许是条出路，但是前提是要保证立体性，边中结合，对抗和移动，前后要呼应，纵向和横向要加大联系，这才是强队的出路。当然，曼奇尼不改变，罗马成不了强队。（这句话，先说一半，欲知详情，请听下回分解。）

作者: 红狼06 时间: 2021-9-20 13:17
第二个球，在肋部，更多的是边后卫区域，后卫退，选择防下底而不是内切我觉得没有问题，因为通常下底横传的威胁更大，中后卫区域则要求顶，因为正面球拉过来通常距离近，角度大
第三个球，忐忑身边并没有进攻队员，他位置沉的太底

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-9-21 00:27

红狼06 发表于 2021-9-20 13:17
第二个球，在肋部，更多的是边后卫区域，后卫退，选择防下底而不是内切我觉得没有问题，因为通常下底横传的 ...

什么？传中要比直接面对球门射门难度大？而且要跟住传中的人，不应该是中卫的事情，只有当边后卫跟不住，中后卫要去补，后腰要补回中后卫的点，就是你说的，腰要去防传中的近点。那么倒三角呢？中路是不是漏人了？
然后就解释了第三个丢球，忐忑沉到防线上，不是因为沉的太深才导致顶出来慢了一步，而是它的目的是缩小两个中卫之间的距离。那缩短距离你们觉得是为什么？往上看，你能理解了吗？

上个赛季好多人吹斯莫林很厉害，怎么怎么样，但是那些莫名其妙的丢球少吗？反倒对方正儿八经的打到斯莫林这一侧只开花不结果，这是为什么呢？上个赛季我也说了，意甲前6还有像样的前锋，后面这些呢？基本没有，所以这些前锋打不到罗马的痛处，所以感觉虐菜强，赢下就能进欧冠。可是对阵前6呢？哪怕什么佩德罗莱昂这些，罗马的防守压力一下就大了。
再回过头来看小西蒙尼，这场比赛有机会吗？再往前倒一倒，斯卡马卡盯着比尼亚打，这都已经撑不住了快，而斯莫林呢？他在哪？还不是岌岌可危？

所以，整个体系是有缺陷的，尤其在防守方面。像这场比赛，卡普拉里内切走内线，谁跟谁顶和左路传过来弧顶没有人，防的方法可是不一样的，谁跟谁顶？何必什么锅都甩给忐忑？防守体系的建立，还得要看手里有谁，谁身边站谁。整个体系，关乎到全队，而不是局部某个人。

作者: Spalletti 时间: 2021-9-21 03:54
如果穆帅喜欢4后卫最后复制十几年前的国米阵型得了。
abraham当milito
zaniolo当etoo
p7当sneider
这不m77已经当后腰在使用了。。。

作者: Spalletti 时间: 2021-9-21 07:57
Point #1: After Sunday’s loss to Verona, are you more or less convinced that Roma’s top winter priority should be a defensive midfielder?
Jordan Veretout (Roma) with the ball and Bryan Cristante (...
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Bran: I think that was the priority regardless of this result. Sure, I’m willing to hear the argument that this result reinforces the idea that a defensive midfielder should be Roma’s top winter priority, but all phases of the team were lacking Sunday, and we already knew what position was at the top of Mourinho’s wish list in terms of reinforcements. I don’t think this result changes the urgency with which Roma signs a DM, it still seems more contingent on shipping off more deadwood than anything.

Bren: To be frank, I agree with most of what you just said, but I’m actually growing increasingly more concerned about the right-back spot. Rick Karsdorp has been a revelation, particularly when you consider where he was as recently as a year ago. He’s certainly done well to put his injury woes behind him, but if they resurface, Mourinho may be up a creek without a paddle. In that light, adding depth to that position seems more important. I think there are some young talents who can play the defensive midfield position, it’s just a matter of whether or not Mourinho trusts them.

In that sense, it’s no different than the right-back depth issue, but I think there are simply more in-house options for defensive midfielder than there are for the right-back, where we only have the young and untested Bryan Reynolds. At least Ebrima Darboe got some consistent run down the stretch last year and looked pretty damn impressive if I’m being honest. We can’t say the same for Reynolds yet, so I believe right-back is the more pressing need.

Bran: That’s a great point. It’s pretty clear that either Mourinho doesn’t exactly rate Bryan Reynolds, or he’s trying to send a message to Reynolds to start getting it together. On top of that, Mourinho was asked about Santon, to which he responded by saying that he hasn’t thought about reintegrating anyone into the squad. So, with that context in mind, right-back may be a position to look into this winter.

Bren: Right-back and defensive midfield are critical areas, too, and have been for several years now, so Pinto may have his work cut out for him this winter. The Reynolds situation is particularly troubling to me, especially when you consider he came to Roma over Juve, in part, because they allegedly promised not to send him on loan. The kid is a physical specimen—you don't often see full-backs with his size—so I have to believe that, with proper coaching, he can be quite an asset for Roma, but to date, he’s not being given the chance.

At this point, I'm wondering if there is a RB/DM hybrid we can sign! That would solve all our problems.

Point #2: Are there any in-house options or tactical tweaks Mourinho could make in the meantime to bolster the midfield?
AS Roma Training Session
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Bran: I could see Mourinho switching to three at the back in order to add another player to the midfield, with the caveat that I don’t think this happens unless Roma goes on an extremely poor run of form and Mourinho really needs to switch things up. With Mancini, Ibanez, Smalling, and Kumbulla all at his disposal, Mourinho has the option to consistently play three at the back and rotate as needed. I don’t think the team is best suited to play this way long-term, but for a quick jolt in the arm for the squad, I can get behind it.

Bren: I’ll take your idea and tweak it a tad. We’ve already seen what Gianluca Mancini can do as a defensive midfielder, and given the depth in defense you just mentioned, a positional switch could be the cure to Roma’s midfield ails, at least until the January window opens and they can get a proper DM. But Mancini has enough touch and athleticism to play the position, while Darboe looked like a solid regular in the making last season under Fonseca, so there are actually multiple, viable options for this position. Adding to that, changing formations, while extreme, could be the solution but I might suggest a more lateral 4-3-3, which could prevent the midfield from being overwhelmed.

Bran: Again, I think I’d have to agree with you here. I did toy with the idea of having Mancini as a CDM in my initial response, but I’m not sure Mourinho will turn to this barring a significant injury crisis. Having said that, slotting Mancini into the midfield with Veretout and Cristante in a 4-3-3 formation might just be the tweak needed to stabilize the midfield.

Bren: Dude, we're supposed to argue!! This would be an entirely different debate—one we might tackle later on—but where does Mancini offer more value: as a center-back or a defensive midfielder? He's still young enough to make the switch, but you have to wonder if the opportunity cost of training him up is worth removing him from the backline.

Point #3: Should Nicolo Zaniolo be replaced in the starting lineup, at least temporarily?
Hellas Verona FC v AS Roma - Serie A
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Bran: I don’t see the benefit in doing so. My love for Zaniolo aside, I do think that the best way to get him back in form is to keep playing him. Context matters here and we have to remember that this is more or less Zaniolo’s first few matches in two years. It’s going to take some time before he’s firing on all cylinders again, and I don’t see the value in benching him seven games into the season. There will be a point in time where you think about replacing him if this poor run of form continues, but we aren’t there yet by any means.

Bren: Man, you’re really tempting me to throw this entire format out already! I love Zaniolo but let me make a case for removing him, at least for a few weeks.

Number one: As important as it is for him to get match time, we also have to keep his psyche/mental well-being in mind. If he struggles, and struggles, and struggles, they’d run the risk of sapping his confidence and aggression. Taking a few weeks away from the starting eleven might give him a chance to look at things with fresh eyes, to observe Mourinho’s tactics from afar, and this mental break might actually serve him well in the long run. None of this is to suggest he has any issues with that, but sometimes just being given the opportunity to reset and attack things with fresh eyes can do wonders.

Number two: To be quite frank, I”m not sure the club is in any position to essentially play short-handed if Zaniolo is off his game or not 100% fit, so using someone like Carles Pérez as the start might benefit the club as a whole in the short-term. Even just a 50/50 job share might be enough to reinvigorate him.

Bran: Don’t scrap the idea just yet! There’s bound to be a truly divisive topic down the road, and I’m sure the readers will be heartbroken if they don’t get to see us truly lock horns. Having said that, you make some fair points here. I’d be more inclined to give Pérez a run-out if he was influencing games more, sure he’s looked sharp in the appearances that he’s made thus far this season, but I’ll still take my chances with Zaniolo starting, the potential to influence games is just so much higher.

Bren: I think above all else, we really need to be objective with Zaniolo, and that cuts both ways. We laugh and joke (light-heartedly) about Roma's ACL issues, but this kid has suffered two catastrophic knee injuries just as his career was taking off. There's a mental and physical toll that comes along with fighting back from that, which will force Mourinho to really assess what the causes of his struggles are: Is it his knees or in between his ears?

I'm genuinely surprised how large of a role Pérez has carved out under Mourinho so far, but I'm not 100% confident he's ready to be the week-in-week-out starter just yet. So if Roma’s two options are U-23 kids—one fresh off major injuries and the other relegated to the bench for most of his tenure here—Mourinho may be best served by riding the hot hand until Zaniolo proves he can be counted on every weekend.

Point #4: Are you at all worried that this loss is a sign of things to come, of some systemic issues within the squad, or was this a one-off?
Hellas Verona FC v AS Roma - Serie A
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Bran: I think it’s a little bit of both, but I’ll chalk this off as a one-off result for now. There are obvious problems in the midfield and with the team switching off defensively, but can we really legislate for a game in which your opponent is operating on the post-EDF sacking boost?

Jokes aside, there certainly is something to the boost teams get following a mid-season manager sacking, and is something Mourinho hinted at himself in his pre-match presser. New coach for the opponent, wonder goal to beat you, etc., I think if we replayed this match nine times, Roma would win at least eight of them, but sometimes the result just doesn’t go your way. There are obvious issues to be addressed, but it’s not time to hit the panic button just yet.

Bren: Purely for the sake of debate, I’ll say that yes, there are some systemic issues we may be looking at, none of which are directly Mourinho’s fault. I can’t take credit for this line of thinking myself as it popped up in the comment section after yesterday’s match, but this team is a bit heavy on the attack. And Mourinho suggested in his post-match presser that forwards like Zaniolo weren’t doing their defensive due diligence, which puts other players in compromising positions, which, in turn, weakens the entire defense.

I’m not sure what the workable solution is at the moment, but if this were an NFL team, Roma was spending all their early-round draft picks on running backs and receivers while kitting out the defense with undrafted free agents.

I don’t think this imbalance will prevent them from achieving their goals, but it’s certainly becoming a noticeable trait, particularly in the wake of their first defeat of the season.

Bran: Is that a systemic issue, though? Or, are Roma merely victims of circumstance? For what feels like the first time in however many years, Roma finally have a plethora of attacking options at their disposal, making them multifaceted in the attack and tricky to gameplan against, and that’s a credit to the work done in the summer transfer window.

True, the evidence suggests that Roma are a bit top-heavy, but I think we can chalk that up to the Spinazzola’s injury, the time it’s taken for Smalling to return to full fitness, and Tiago Pinto’s hands being tied in the marketplace by an inability to ship out some of the bloated contracts on the books, all issues that can and will be resolved at some point.

Bren: Well, I guess that depends on how we define systemic as it relates to Roma. If the constant upheaval on the bench and the boardroom is the root cause of these roster construction issues, then yes, I think we have a systemic issue (albeit one they can stop simply by, you know, not firing people so frequently), but I don't want this debate to become a semantics issue.

But the systemic vs. circumstantial debate is an interesting one. Ultimately, I think the imbalance looks worse than it is because much of that imbalance stems from the fact that Roma doesn't have a pure defensive midfielder. Adding someone like that to the mix, like a Zakaria or Xhaka, could iron out a lot of these wrinkles and bring some much-needed balance to the equation.

I also think we have to note that we're still so incredibly early in the season and into Mourinho's tenure as manager, so we should expect all manners of hiccups during his first few weeks and months on the job. In some ways, I think the perfect start makes these minuscule issues appear more serious than they might be. Time will tell.

作者: Spalletti 时间: 2021-9-21 07:59
以上是老外的讨论，一个简单的问题，除了4231 穆帅的备用阵型是什么
如果说对手针对了4231的弱点，如何适时调整

作者: 情定迷人酒窝 时间: 2021-9-21 10:28

Spalletti 发表于 2021-9-21 07:59
以上是老外的讨论，一个简单的问题，除了4231 穆帅的备用阵型是什么
如果说对手针对了4231的弱点，如何适 ...

我大致看了一下，边后卫的问题，我一直在说卡尔斯多普需要像凯尔沃克一样踢，把他填充进中路，毕竟他速度不慢的，防守时拉出去到边路。
至于雷诺兹，我也没看过他比赛，风格上也不一定能判断对。但右路防守问题还是需要讲一个协防问题，除非雷诺兹跟防意识，一对一成功率都相对高，那么就直接影响了右边锋位置，谁状态好上谁，不用防守，彻底放手进攻。他们讨论里还加入了桑顿，我觉得他完全胜任不了，顺位比雷诺兹、中后卫打右边卫都还靠后。

至于备用阵型是什么，我在一楼有说过，他们也谈到了433，但是我始终认为曼奇尼做不了单后腰，而在这么关键的攻防转换的位置用他，还不如去买进来呢。
最后他们也说到扎卡和扎卡里亚的问题，1月能进扎卡里亚的话，4231还能运转。如果买不来，我也是不看好曼奇尼改打后腰的。

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